One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.

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Since Finrod had already guessed that Men had been specially assigned a redemptive function, he probably guessed that the coming of Eru into the world would primarily be concerned with Men and with “an imaginative guess or andrsth that Eru would come incarnated in human form.

The foundation of Estel is that they are the Children of Eru, and Eru will not let his children be taken from him, not by the Enemy, or even by themselves. Submit a new text post. Hannah May 6, at 1: He athrzbeth her, if nothing else, to put aside any thought that she was scorned, for she was not and then, at least, their talk would not have been in vain. At the end of this bit, then, Finrod would ride away to the Long Siege, arriving just in time for the Battle of the Sudden Flame where he would see Aegnor die at some point during movie five and send word back to Andreth.


And now I wonder: Yet with what is this comparison? The Eldar said that Men do not see things for what they are.

Tolkien places the story in approximately FAwhich explains the error on the timeline, I think. He would not have run before thee. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth was a discussion between two characters, Finrod Felagundan Elven King, and Andretha mortal woman that took place during the Siege of Angband though when originally written was placed much later and deals with the metaphysical differences between Elves and Men and the imbalances between their fates.


The 2nd and 3rd ages where not originally part of Tolkien’s plan at all, originally his Legenderium simply ended with the defeat of Morgoth. She called it then an imposition placed upon them and not a gift, and if such were their nature from the beginning, then the chain was imposed by him that should not be spoken of.

At this point of the debate, the discussion became metaphorical for the union of the spirit with the body. However, even if Wikipedia is not the best source if you search for accurate news, here it is a link to its Jesus page http: Same goes for photos of your Tolkien books there’s a sub for that and for Tolkien-themed artwork a sub for that too! His last words to her were that she was not for Arda, and wherever she goes, beyond the world, may she find light and “‘await us there, my brother – and me.

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Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth.

Lihan January 4, at In Finrod’s argument, it is only fear of death that was the disaster for Men the woundfor death now divided the spirit from the body.

It is the consequence of sin. Then this must surely follow: The conversation between Finrod and Andreth took place around F. Sole masters of yourselves within Arda, under the hand of the One.

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Who imposed death upon you? Antonio David Loo Phun January 3, at 5: That a people in possession of such a legend sndreth tradition should have later been deluded by Sauron is sad but, in view of human history generally, not incredible. What may be was little comfort for the time they were in. Log in or Sign up. Morgoth’s Ring chapters Books and documents within the legendarium. Archive This website contains archives of the Tolkien Discussion Group from to early You are commenting using your Facebook account.


Next time, the epic battles start and the First Age will have little more of peace and beauty to speak to us. According to Andreth, men believe that they were originally born to eternal life: She said there had been. Of life as long as the world but no longer we had not heard; indeed not until now ahhrabeth it entered my mind. This introduction helps to settle the story in time and to remind of us what we already know about Finrod and to underline his interest in Men.

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Did they hear the end of the Music? Even the memory of rejection.

Since there where only years form the birth of the Sun to the Defeat of Morgoth, that means it could easily have been hypothetically reconcilable ahhrabeth Early Pre-Flood Biblical history There where years till the Flood.

Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth. Also, I don’t remember the Answer of Ingold that you alluded to.

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